Tuesday, August 19, 2008

Rays now have best record in baseball and a few believers

The Rays look like they are looking to do more than just become a nuisance to the perennial powerhouses as someone forgot to tell them that they were just for show. Don’t look now but the Rays are now tied for the best record in baseball with the Angels and Cubs. Moreover, Tampa Bay is going toe-to-toe with team that has lead from start to finish this year and is arguably the team to beat in the AL. We have read a lot of post and there are a lot of people out there who owe the Rays an apology. They did not fade in the heat of the AL East and, like a good sprinter in the Men’s 200, are increasing their lead going into the home stretch. They also have the best home record in baseball to accompany the best overall. Now if they could just get the rest of the nation AND their home fans in Florida to take notice, they might be able to get more than 16k for a home game and it won’t seem like such a shock when they open the post season with home field advantage.




19 comments:

eugenewe said...

Gotta love the whiny Boston biased ESPN reports about Manny. The guy gave his all for Boston and helped them defeat the curse and win a couple of championships. They repay him by putting the wholesale blame on him their current problems and trade him to LA. This guy deserves all the praise and none of the hate. I sincerely hope 50 years from now that we're talking about the "Manny being Manny" curse of the Boston Red Sox and the woes they have suffered since trading him. That would be true justice.

GreatDaysintheFens said...

I guarantee this: owners will not be evaluating and bidding on Manny from the phony moralistic perspective that the sporting press has assumed. They will be looking at the bottom line: What will Manny do to our box office? our TV ratings? our merchandising? How can we structure a competitive contract? I'm not saying they won't consider things like hair and effort and malingering and age. But they'll do it with the bottom line in mind. They won't sit on little self-appointed thrones and moan about what's "good for the game".

If a player makes the game more popular, then he's good for the game. If he turns people away, then he's not. Each of us decides for himself where Manny fits on that spectrum. Jayson Stark is a pompous priss.

brianv said...

Some people get blinded by numbers and/or titles. There's more to it than just winning and losing.

DSalami said...

Manny's basic plan was to get out of the option years. HIs wors nightmare ( in his head) was Boston picking up those option years. Why? A; Because his new agent, the thing that is boreass, gets no cash if he gets his options picked up B: if the options both get picked up, he becomes a free agent as a declining 39 yr old - aint the same as being a declining 36.5 yr old. C: Manny actually believed whatever moron (wonder who) told him he is worth 4/$100M. Never going to happen. Bottom line, he signe d deal, Sox had every right to wait and he wanted out so he QUIT ON HIS TEAM FOR MONEY HE WONT GET. Good riddance. He will be a disaster on whatever team gets him. Keep in mind, a few years ago, when he was much younger AND and had not yet demonstrated he would quit on his team AND did not have boreass as an agent, he could have been had for "free" off the waiver wire and NOBODY wanted him. So now he is, what , better? Um check the stats. Gonna be fun to watch unless some sap of a GM overpays.

ty cobb specter said...

Two points - first the Sox had until a few hours until after the season to make the call on the option, MANNY SIGNED THAT DEAL. All those years he was getting paid $20 million a year he had no problem with the contract being structured that way. Second, so he's unhappy and the way he deals with it is to quit on his teammates????? Basically taking a big freakin dump on Papi, Lowell, Becket, Pedroia et al?????? You got to be kidding! Manny, one of the greatest hitting talents the game has ever seen .....and one of the biggest babies.

brianv21 said...

I don't have any problem with Manny making all that money. I believe he should clean up his act before other players follow suit and "take their ball and go home". I simply wouldn't advise a large contract (year wise), simply because of his age. It's not about the money with Manny, it's about the attitude.

cowboyssuperbowlorbust said...

we should be mad at the executives who pay these rediculous players this kind of money in the first place. Let's start all over, fire them all. Pay a professional ball player what they are really worth. They don't save lives like doctors who make 400,000.00 per year; so it should be less than that. They don't build things like architects who make our world more beautiful ... they make around 200,000.00 per year (the good ones anyway). They don't teach our next generation how to read, write and do math so that they can function properly in this world when they become adults, teachers make about 30,000.00 a year, so they should make less than teachers. they play a game ... how about let's start them off at about 10,000.00 a year with incentives ... and during their off time they can work at McDonalds to supplement their income (like many Americans do to get by). Now that's an idea. Quit making these professional athletes into what they'd like us to think of them ... idols. They are nothing more than superb athletes gifted with the ability to play the game of baseball. Entertainers? Yes. But when they make the kind of money they do and tell their managers/management staff what they will or won't do ...they cross the line.

mannyfan2803 said...

If they didn't pay guys like Arod, Jordan, Clemens etc this crazy amount of money, baseball tickets would be affordable for everyone and we would not have beeing having this discussion and i do think all athletes are overpaid, but what's wrong if your bo$$ is making a 400% of what your making and you are the main reason why he's making that money to ask for a raise .... I'm sure atheletes now that they're overpaid, but they can't let the guy in the front office take advantage of us( The fans) and them at the same time

johuskers said...

If you're not sure what I'm talking about, it's about team loyalty. It's about hustling every play, not just when you feel like it or you're trying to impress someone to pay you more. It's about never taking a night off unless your manager says you can. It's about giving the fans what they are paying for ... an honest hard effort every play. Manny Ramirez is a ball player who decides when he'll play hard and depending on the circustances, he may or may not even show up in the field when his team is in the field. He's making a mockery of the integrity of the game of baseball. I'm not a Manny Ramirez fan; and I admit he's a feared hitter ... but what do you get when he hits a ground ball to the SS? He might run hard or he may not ... it depends on him ... that's what we're talking about. Baseball was meant to be played a certain way and when fans pay good money to come see their team play ... they deserve to get their money's worth. That is the integrity I'm talking about ... and Manny Ramirez getting a huge paycheck after all he's done (basically spitting in the face of baseball's integrity rule) would be a grave injustice.

carlon said...

i dont think that paying him that amount will be dangerous at all, in the contrary i think it will open many people's eyes to reality. Manuel Ramirez is one of the best hitters in baseball history not only powerfull but patien at the plate. honestly the most respected hitter in baseball bisedes barry Bonds. i think he is worth that much money becasue hate him or love him the guy produces!!!

lakerfaninboston said...

I don't expect non dodgers fans to know this, but we actually have a lot of very quality pieces, but just like the sox did in 2000,1,2,3, you have to get all the right pieces...one player or ten players aren't going to win it all..

Manny is actually a perfect fit for the dodgers and yes he does make us much more dangerous in our lineup...a lot more dangerous...and that has permiated to some of our younger guys who will be stars soon...the NL west won the NL pennant last year...so, we aren't as bad as our records show...injuries and bad free agents have hurt the NL west teams...

it's not about how you get there, it's about what you do when you do.

rmlynch58 said...

Has everyone forgotten that at the begining of the season Manny came out and said he LOVED BOSTON and wanted to play there until he retiried just like he is saying in LA. I am a Boston Fan and even though I loved to watch Manny at bat I am glad he is gone. What he did the last two weeks with the Sox was making me sick. Every year it's the same thing with him. He dosen't get what he wants and he wants out! Well he got what he wished for and I hope he is happy now. The Sox's are starting to play like a team again. I have been reading all these comments today and I have to say 1 thing Manny was a HUGE part of the 2 World Series but Remember there is no I in Team the whole team came together to win those 2 World Series. I will miss Manny being Manny but as my Husband keeps telling me it is a Business now a days it is not a Sport like It use to be in the Old Days when players played for 1 team for there whole career.

eugenewe said...

Gotta love the whiny Boston biased ESPN reports about Manny. The guy gave his all for Boston and helped them defeat the curse and win a couple of championships. They repay him by putting the wholesale blame on him their current problems and trade him to LA. This guy deserves all the praise and none of the hate. I sincerely hope 50 years from now that we're talking about the "Manny being Manny" curse of the Boston Red Sox and the woes they have suffered since trading him. That would be true justice.

Ben Berzai said...

There were two different Manny fans in Boston -those that saw him play live and those that read or heard about him through the media... the Boston media, which is an acerbic bunch of windbags. The people that saw him live loved him! He didn't take a phone call in the Green Monster for business, he took it for the fans. He made Fenway fun. SI know that since Manny's gone, the Sox are boring. Really boring. I can't even watch.

As far as your skills, you know as well as I that baseball is different than softball. Manny's defense in incredibly underrated. He has a strong, but mostly accurate arm. Not only did he lead the team in games played before he left, he also lead Boston in outfield assists. So no, laugh or not you are not better (Thank you for your service to our country, however).

And how do you know how Manny got traded? Media reports, none of which were dignified by a Ramirez response. That's one side of the story, so it's unfair. And who betrays the team more, Manny, by leading his team in games played, home runs and RBI's at the time of his departure, or Jason Veritek, who has the best PR people in the business? His batting average is abysmal, and he can't throw anyone out (check his stats against our backup, Kevin Cash, who plays 1/4 of the time, catches the slow-to-home knuckleballer but has still thrown more people out at second). And if I hear how well Varitek "handles the pitching staff" one more time I may lose my lunch. It must be hard to catch all stars...

tcd83 said...

Manny took an 8 year 168 million deal and hardly fulfilled his end of the bargain. Yes we won 2 world series but Manny was not the only reason why, he won the MVP in 04 but it should have been Papi, and by handcuff I mean that only hitting and not doing anything else that makes a baseball player a baseball player, Manny does whatever makes him happy, i.e. MANNY BEING MANNY read the shirts in Boston dude. As far as Theo throwing a "tantrum" You need to do more research Manny was voted out by his own team mates even his homeboy Papi said that his attitude was not one that = another Sox championship because he's selfish. If he kept up his resume this year in Boston he would be lucky to get a 2 year 50 million dollar pay check as it is now hank steinbrenner will probably pay Manny 70 billion dollars to beat Boston just in the regular season because the Yankees can't buy (even though they try extremely hard) a world series. I'm telling you this guy is selfish I grew up most of my adult life watching him help and hurt us

jprbos said...

All these people who think Manny is amazing never look at the history. Sox put him on waivers and nobody claims him-for free.
Says he would like to play for Yankees someday on national T.V.
Sox try to trade him to Texas for A-Rod
Refuses to pinch hit for Francona
Refuses to stay in lineup for his buddy Ortiz as D.O. went for 50 homers.
fails to run out groundballs
Beats up an old man
Refuses to visit wounded troops
Refuses to visti sick kids with cancer and other maladies
fights with teammates
Tells team he will try harder if they get rid of his options
Tells LA Times he would like to stay forever and the NY Post he wants to play for Yankees
He is a mess

thegreendevil said...

So Manny doesn't run out every ground ball or doesn't cut his hair. Look at Manny's numbers, especially in the clutch. Any team that doesn't want him is stupid and ultimately doesn't give a rat's butt about wanting to win. When you can turn up your nose at one of the best clutch hitters in baseball history, you're not hustling for your fans or your team and selling them short. In essence, doing the very thing you accuse Manny of doing. Problem is, how many World Series rings does Manny have? And how many rings do these whining chumps have?

Exactly.

GreatDaysintheFens said...

I guarantee this: owners will not be evaluating and bidding on Manny from the phony moralistic perspective that the sporting press has assumed. They will be looking at the bottom line: What will Manny do to our box office? our TV ratings? our merchandising? How can we structure a competitive contract? I'm not saying they won't consider things like hair and effort and malingering and age. But they'll do it with the bottom line in mind. They won't sit on little self-appointed thrones and moan about what's "good for the game".

If a player makes the game more popular, then he's good for the game. If he turns people away, then he's not. Each of us decides for himself where Manny fits on that spectrum.

mannyfan said...

The guy is asking if they will renew his contract and if he will be back in Boston next year.... That's something that an organization does to players they aprecciate, is not like they were gonna negotiate or anythink like that, is just ppick up an option ... and they just didn't do it.... obviously he wasn't part of the future of the franchise ...... They have a tracking reacord of doing that and dont come with the''yeah, it was the right decision, they were done'' theory, cause Manny's just far from being done.

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